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Middlesex County VA-Staffordshire England Paces

Explanation: One major branch of US Paces trace their ancestry to John Pace of Middlesex County, VA. The first record of John is his purchase of land in Middlesex County in 1693. There is ample documentation of the line from there to the present, but no previous documentation of John. It was previously thought that he might be a descendent of Richard Pace of Jamestown, the first known Pace in America.

So the first goal of the study was to determine whether two major branches of American Paces could be related: (1) The John Pace of Middlesex County, VA line, and (2) the Paces of North Carolina line believed to be descended from Richard Pace of Jamestown. This purpose has been realized.  DNA results are so different that it is virtually impossible for these two groups to be closely related.

John of M Paces (group 2 in the chart) are more likely related to British Paces of Shropshire-Staffordshire background. They are of a different HAPLOGROUP (HAPLOGROUP I), which usually indicates Viking or Anglo-Saxon origin.  Evidence is perfect 25/25 and 35/37 DNA matches with Gordon Pace of Canada.  Circumstantial evidence shows that John of Middlesex is probably John Pace b. 1665, Shropshire, England, brother to Gordon's ancestor George Pace. For evidence of this relationship, click to see the chart.

DNA shows the other large group of Paces (group 3) to be Haplogroup R1b1, the general European group that is more common. Those in this group are the probable descendents of Richard Pace of Jamestown.

These DNA results seem to indicate two totally different lines of Paces in England whose ancestors are found in early Virginia.

Participant number 6281 was the first person to submit DNA for the test. He has an apparently accurate documentary record to John of Middlesex through John Junior, so he was designated as Group 1, under the assumption that other Paces of this line would be a match. It turned out that his DNA did not match the others in this group or any other Pace in the study, but it was too late to change the group numbering system.  He is included here due to his paper record to John.

Chart explanation: Top row convenience markers or loci. Next row- Technical DNA designations (DYS). To see lineages of all donors click here. For specific donor click the kit number.

Marker colors: FTDNA shows some markers in red to indicate a higher frequency of mutation in these alleles. This can help in dividing groups into sub groups. John of Middlesex Paces have not shown division into sub-groups.

Individual differences from the majority in a group are marked in green.

Blue cells = Paces with paper records tracing to John of Middlesex; pink = Gordon Pace of Canada, with proven descent from Staffordshire, England, Paces. (See also Gordon's John of Middlesex page on his web site); other lines matching but not tracing to John of M in gray.
 

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SUBMITTED LINEAGE
 

JM Son ↓

                                                                                     

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JnJnWmSp
Joel-1790

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<--Non match despite paper trail

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Pierce (from Ancestry.com)

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Conclusions:

The John of Middlesex-Richard of North Carolina relationship:

  • None of the participants who believe they are descended from John of Middlesex
    are related to any of those who believe they are descended from Richard of Jamestown.
  • The John of Middlesex line shows remarkable consistency among all but one of the submitters.
According to FTDNA, markers 4, 5, and 6 in group 2 are extremely unique and indicate a high degree of probability of a close relationship, and also divide this group sharply from the others.

This evidence rather emphatically DISPROVES a relationship between
John of Middlesex and the North Carolina Paces.

[NOTE] It appears that the lone individual classified as group 1 is not related to those in group 2 even though his records show that he is a John of M descendent.

EXCITING RESULTS 4/30/03 -- Note that kit 8033 (Gordon Pace of Canada, who has agreed to be identified)  is a precise match with all in the J of M group except 6501 and 23/25 for 6501.  Since this is a very distinctive group to start with (see explanations above) this shows a very high degree of possibility for common ancestry.  Click the 8033 kit number to see this descendency.  Gordon has researched the Staffordshire-Shropshire Paces.

This indicates a strong probability that J of M is descended from these Paces, and that he is NOT a relative of the North Carolina Paces who claim descent from Richard of Jamestown. Kit 68931 is named Pierce but matches 25/25 with John of Middlesex modal. It appears from correspondence that this match occurred in England, as the lineage of this Pace seems not associated with the John of M group. According to Gordon Pace, our primary researcher on English Paces (particularly Shropshire), the names Pierce and Pace were often interchanged in the records.