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-Frederick Pace of Wales descendents.

The DNA of this group of Paces
does not match any of the others.
  •  Family tradition and strong evidence indicates
    that they are the descendents of a Frederick Pace of Wales who came to this country with sons WILLIAM, JOHN, and DEMPSEY, in 1768.
  • These Paces moved to CLARKE County, Alabama, and then spread out from there.
  • There is no documentary evidence for the Welsh origin of Frederick.
  • There were Paces living in Shropshire and neighboring counties on the border of present Wales,
  • and the Welsh border was "fuzzy" and moved over time,
  • so Welsh origin did not necessarily mean the Wales of today.

To see the evidence for the ancestry of these Paces, click here.

 To see the lineage submitted by a donor, click the kit number.

Marker colors: FTDNA shows some markers in red to indicate a higher frequency of mutation in these alleles. This can help in dividing groups into sub groups. With the limited results on this page, this feature is not at present useful, but may become useful as we add more results.

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The three differences in 32112 are not as significant as it might seem. All three are in fast moving markers, and 464c and 464d count as  only one difference. So the genetic difference is 2, which in fast moving markers can happen.

GERMAN PACES

who derive their name from Pees. Explanation: in German, Pees would be pronounced almost exactly like Pace, the double e taking a sound like a long a.  Therefore, in the US it was natural for them to change the spelling to the American way. They are not related to the English Paces. This group has traced ancestry to Baumholder, Germany.  NOTE: Donor 47110's ancestors did NOT change their name to Pace but but suspects he has Baumholder origins. 24/25 match with 2053 supports this conclusion.

Donor 12280 is surnamed Smith but matches more closely with 20553 than with anyone in the Smith study. Click 12280 to go to his Donors page listing for further comment.

To see the lineage submitted by a donor, click the kit number.

Marker colors: FTDNA shows some markers in red to indicate a higher frequency of mutation in these alleles. This can help in dividing groups into sub groups. An example of this is seen in donors 6280, 9852, and 6711.

 
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As expected, the chart shows that the German Paces are unrelated to the English Paces.  It is not surprising that they are in Haplogroup I, which includes northern German and Scandinavian populations. See Note.

Italian Paces

The Pace surname apparently originated separately in England and Italy. There is no evidence of a relationship. Pace in Italian (pronounced "pah-chee") means "peace". The name is common in Italy and there are numerous coats of arms granted to Paces there. The two entries beginning with N are from the national geographic study.

Five differences out of 12 indicate that these two individuals are not closely related.

To date, the study has not received lineages from these donors.

95418 is a Sicilian Pace. Again there is not match with the other Italian Paces.

This study welcomes Paces of Italian lineage.

 
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95418 has tested for 37 markers. The remaining markers are below.

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PAIS

This is a new group as of February, 2007. As of March 3, 2007, there is one Pais applicant. The name Pais (variations Paes, Payes)  is said to be of Sephardic origin. This is a term applied to the Jews who lived in the Basque area of the Pyrenees, most of whom left during the Inquisition. Some may have converted (at least nominally) to Christianity. We welcome submissions from persons of this surname.
 

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NOTE: There was a surprise when 84728's results came through. There was an 11/12 match with 14944 who has a lineage only back to his great grandfather.

However, when the 25 and 37 marker tests came through, there were so many differences that there was no match. The 25 marker match was closest to Antony Pace of London, but even here there was a genetic distance of 4, so the match is not significant. It would appear at this point that the Pais surname is not related to the Paces in the database.

This donor has upgraded to the 37 marker test; extended results are below.

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